Legislature(1995 - 1996)

02/13/1995 01:35 PM House FIN

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  HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 29                                                
                                                                               
       Relating to the federal balanced budget amendment.                      
                                                                               
  Representative Parnell, the sponsor of  HJR 29, spoke in its                 
  support.  He observed that HJR  29 urges Congress to support                 
  and pass  a resolution proposing a  constitutional amendment                 
  requiring a federal  balanced budget.   He noted that absent                 
  policy  changes,  entitlement  and  interest  spending  will                 
  consume almost all  federal revenues in  the year 2010.   In                 
  the  year  2030,  federal  revenues   will  not  even  cover                 
  entitlement spending.  He noted that the United States House                 
  of   Representatives  passed  HJR   1,  a   balanced  budget                 
  amendment.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Representative  Brown  provided  members  with  Amendment  1                 
  (Attachment   1).    Representative  Brown  MOVED  to  adopt                 
  Amendment 1.   Amendment 1  would insert after  "WHEREAS" on                 
  page 1,  line 7,  "the goal  of."   "Could be  accomplished"                 
  would also be deleted on page 1, line 8 after "spending" and                 
  "may be advanced" would be inserted.  Representative Parnell                 
  had no objections.   There being  NO OBJECTION, Amendment  1                 
  was adopted.                                                                 
                                                                               
  Representative  Brown  provided  members  with  Amendment  2                 
  (Attachment 2).   Amendment 2 would insert after "budget" on                 
  page 1, line 12, "with provisions that will allow a response                 
  to national economic  emergencies and long-term  investments                 
                                                                               
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  in national infrastructure."                                                 
                                                                               
  Representative  Brown  MOVED  to  adopt  Amendment 2.    She                 
  explained that  Amendment 2 would  allow capital improvement                 
  expenditures to be accounted for separately.  Representative                 
  Mulder OBJECTED.   He stated that the  amendment would "open                 
  the door a crack".                                                           
                                                                               
  Representative Parnell  objected  to the  amendment  on  the                 
  basis that the amendment would make HJR 29 too specific.  He                 
  emphasized  that  HJR  1, introduced  in  the  United States                 
  Congress, provides that  total outlays  for any fiscal  year                 
  shall not  exceed total receipts for the  fiscal year unless                 
  three-fifths of the whole  number of each House in  Congress                 
  shall provide by  law for  a specific excess.   He  asserted                 
  that the breadth  of the  HJR 1 already  allows response  to                 
  national economic  emergencies and long-term  investments in                 
  national   infrastructure  upon   a  three-fifths   vote  of                 
  Congress.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Representative Grussendorf spoke in support  of Amendment 2.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Representative Brown accentuated that the amendment would be                 
  compatible  with  HJR 1.   She  stressed that  the amendment                 
  would send  the message  that the  State of  Alaska wants  a                 
  solution that will respond to the needs of our state.                        
                                                                               
  A roll call vote was  taken on the MOTION to move  Amendment                 
  2.                                                                           
                                                                               
  IN FAVOR: Brown, Grussendorf                                                 
  OPPOSED:  Kelly, Kohring, Martin,  Mulder, Parnell,  Foster,                 
  Hanley                                                                       
                                                                               
  The MOTION FAILED (2-8).                                                     
                                                                               
  Representative  Brown referred  to  remarks  by Senator  Ted                 
  Stevens made on  the floor  of the United  States Senate  on                 
  February 25, 1994 (Attachment 3).   She noted that he stated                 
  that:   "I think it  will be a  total, total disaster  for a                 
  state  such  as  mine  to   come  under  a  balanced  budget                 
  amendment.    We  will lose  at  least  Fort Richardson  and                 
  Eielson Air Force  Base, and maybe  one other.  Alaska  will                 
  lose 94,000  jobs; there  will be 24  percent less  personal                 
  income in Alaska; the rate of unemployment, which is already                 
  the Nation's  highest, will increase  by 6.4 percent."   She                 
  observed that Senator Stevens, in his speech, detailed other                 
  effects the balanced budget amendment  would have on Alaska.                 
  Senator Stevens concluded that "this  is the wrong amendment                 
  at  the   wrong  time   to  address   the  wrong   problem."                 
  Representative Brown stressed that the effects of a balanced                 
                                                                               
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  budget amendment have not changed.                                           
                                                                               
  Representative   Brown   acknowledged    the   philosophical                 
  correctness of  helping Congress to  restrain its  spending.                 
  She  questioned  what  will  happen  to  Alaska  if  federal                 
  contraction   occurs  when   state  dollars   available  for                 
  expenditure are also being reduced.                                          
                                                                               
  Representative  Therriault  stressed  that Senator  Stevens'                 
  change of heart  in regards to the balanced budget amendment                 
  was based  on the  fact that  the national  situation is  so                 
  severe  that  something  absolutely  has  to  be done.    He                 
  highlighted that everybody feels there is a problem, but  no                 
  one wants to give anything up or have the programs that they                 
  have  come   to  rely   on  considered   for  reduction   or                 
  elimination.  He asserted that the State of Alaska cannot be                 
  separated from the Nation.                                                   
                                                                               
  Representative  Grussendorf  emphasized  the  importance  of                 
  federal  funding to  the  State of  Alaska.   He  questioned                 
  members' priorities: "The economy of the State of Alaska" or                 
  "do we want to have a nation wide perspective."                              
                                                                               
  Co-Chair  Hanley concluded  that  the  Nation's credit  card                 
  balance has reached  its limit.   He  emphasized that  tough                 
  decisions need to be made.  He expounded that inaction could                 
  result  in  a  worst scenario,  in  terms  of  the kinds  of                 
  reductions that  would have to  be made  in the future.   He                 
  reiterated that  the three-fifths  vote allows  flexibility.                 
  He  asserted  that a  balanced  budget amendment  will focus                 
  public pressure.                                                             
                                                                               
  Representative  Martin avouched  that calamity  will be  the                 
  result of inaction.   He stressed:  "Either pay the  bill or                 
  let your grandchildren pay it." He  asserted that we have to                 
  "get control of this wild spending in Congress."                             
                                                                               
  Representative Mulder MOVED to report  CSHJR 29 (FIN) out of                 
  Committee  with  individual  recommendations  and  with  the                 
  accompanying fiscal note.  There being NO OBJECTION, it  was                 
  so ordered.                                                                  
                                                                               
  CS HJR  19 (FIN)  was reported out  of Committee with  a "do                 
  pass"  recommendation and  with  a zero  fiscal note  by the                 
  Office of the Governor.                                                      
                                                                               
  HB  19  was  reported out  of  Committee  with  a "do  pass"                 
  recommendation  and  with  two  zero  fiscal  notes  by  the                 
  Department  of  Law,  date  2/8/95  and  the  Department  of                 
  Administration, dated 2/8/95.                                                

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